Originally posted by Pako
What people do in the privacy of their own home is their business, just don't make it my business by shoving it down my throte as an acceptable way of life. This is not a lifestyle of choice if I have to accept it or choose to tolerate it.
I'm not really clear about what you're saying here: It's OK, but it's not OK? Or is it OK as long as it's hidden?
I must say I find
Der Alta's post to be an excellent one on many levels. He's stated several important points:
1) he feels that it is a sin because of his religious beliefs; but
2) he admits that it is possible to be a worthy person despite being homosexual, and
3) he points out that judging others who are not 'harming' anyone is not appropriate.
I'm glad the discussion has turned serious after an odd beginning.
Personally, I'm totally baffled by hatred of homosexuals. I understand that it is not for everyone to participate in homosexual relationships... which is fine. But if two or more people are consentually homosexual, what possible harm does that do? Why is it a problem to acknowledge them as acceptable human beings, and why should they be discriminated against?
The issue does not fall strictly along religious lines, but let me draw a parallel: Suppose that I thought that all religious people were intolerable due to their beliefs alone. I have several very good friends with whom I would refuse to associate with entirely, or would require them to conceal a fundamental part of their personality in my presence. Where is the sense in that? What a loss it would be for me if I quit reading
Der Alta's posts just because I found out he is a Christian. Someone asking me to accept the fact that they are religious does not threaten or harm me, and does not require me to be religious myself. What do
I have to lose by accepting that his beliefs are valid for
him?
The thing about homosexuality that makes it different from other moral questions is that there are
no victims. It is immoral to lie because an innocent person is decieved. It is immoral to steal because an innovcent person loses their property. It is immoral to initiate violence because someone who has caused no violence is injured. But if people are having consentual homosexual relations, who are they hurting? No one. There is no victim, because they are willingly engaging in it. So why is it considered immoral?
Let me ask a question to people who consider homosexuals unacceptable. Which is the bigger sin: promiscuous heterosexuality, or monogamous homosexuality? Why?
Oh man this is rich. I don't personally know anyone who thinks like this so it's like a strange curiosity to me. Actually, I've known more gays than people like this.
Wow. Did you have an epiphany? Why did you say: "Homos are a disgrace to our society and they need to do something better. Most homos are even homos because they think they can never have anyone. If no one gets anyone then they are meant to stay single perioid, that doesn't mean they're meant to be homo." Those are pretty stong words for someone who didn't mean it.
